{"id":865,"date":"2022-07-02T01:19:24","date_gmt":"2022-07-02T01:19:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/?p=865"},"modified":"2022-07-03T00:32:32","modified_gmt":"2022-07-03T00:32:32","slug":"yasmeen-abdallah","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/yasmeen-abdallah\/","title":{"rendered":"Yasmeen Abdallah"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ttfmake-1624907549\" class=\"ttfmake-notice\" style=\"background-color: #eaecee; color: #000000; padding: 10px 20px; border: 2px solid #eeee22;\">\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><em><strong>ArtIsUnity <\/strong><\/em><strong>Interviews: <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.yasmeenabdallah.com\/index.html\"><strong>Yasmeen Abdallah<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-871 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_010-260x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"260\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_010-260x300.jpg 260w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_010-887x1024.jpg 887w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_010-768x886.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_010-1331x1536.jpg 1331w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_010-1775x2048.jpg 1775w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 260px) 100vw, 260px\" \/><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-873 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_10-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"245\" height=\"327\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_10-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_10-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_10-1152x1536.jpg 1152w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_10-1536x2048.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Abdallah_Yasmeen_10-scaled.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 245px) 100vw, 245px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I am an artist. But growing up, I didn\u2019t know any artists; I didn\u2019t think \u201cbeing an artist\u201d was even an actual occupation. I certainly didn\u2019t have any role models or guidance in that area. It was only in college that I took an art class as an elective and learned that it was considered a profession. That\u2019s when I decided I was going to pursue it, and that I would teach art to supplement my living. Or at least do my best to earn a living wage on it!<\/p>\n<p><em>What are you working on right now?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Right now, I\u2019m working on some mini drawings, paintings, collages, textile pieces, zines, and artist books, all composed from scraps I\u2019ve accumulated during 2020. Their scale reflects the limitations of space, which I\u2019m approaching as a prompt, rather than a challenge. I am enjoying the intimacy of working so small, and rethinking the domestic sphere and online as spaces to make art for, as an alternative to the traditional gallery setting.<\/p>\n<p><em>How is it different from your former work?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>My former work took up space, quite often, in the form of large sculptures and installations that played with light, shadow, interactivity, multidisciplinary hybrids, and experience. The work made during the pandemic is more introspective and vulnerable; they\u2019re like visual diaries about this awful time, focusing more on isolation, mental health, loss, uncertainty and instability, and essentially just trying to survive amidst the stressors of the pandemic and beyond.<\/p>\n<p><em>Can you talk about your process of mark making? You use a lot of different materials, most of which are found and then stitched together. Can you explain why? Do you feel like there is an aesthetic and conceptual element to these materials?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I often think about misfits lost in the world (myself included), trying to find their way. I think a lot about fragments left behind (that could be from my historical archaeology concentration in college). I\u2019m interested in heirlooms, keepsakes, mementos, but equally as fascinated by the materials deemed unworthy of <em>precioushood<\/em>. I think this is because I draw connections between the material objects and the people to whom they belonged.<\/p>\n<p>Growing up, I\u2019ve never really had much family, and my father, with whom I was closest, and with him, my connections to the histories and lineages housed within the material culture. On the rare occasion when I would hear things of long-lost relatives, such as a great aunt being a W.A.C. by discovering a moth-eaten hat that had belonged to her, I would study that hat, those deteriorating threads, and try to get to know them through the fragments left behind. It can be pretty emotional and intense. Sometimes, I\u2019ll come across scraps that possess characteristics of someone I know, and that will prompt me to make something. Other times, the work may be inspired by no one in particular, and may be responding to broader feelings and concerns of loss, alienation, fragmentation, or resilience. I stitch with deliberate features, much like the brushstrokes of a painter. At times the marks are grandiose, meticulous, refined, sloppy, haphazard, exuberant. I refer to my sewing technique as \u201cFrankenstitches\u201d because it is like Dr. Frankenstein piecing together broken particles to create a whole being.<\/p>\n<p>I want to honor people that have survived hardships, and I want to pay homage to them. I am a big believer in the idea of unity and building community and solidarity, and I see these textile works as a celebration of these ideals; as a form of protest art. They are less explicit than the traditional signage that one is used to, with fonts, graphics; they are deliberately abstracted, and crudely woven, because they are defying death, defeat, and their intended landfill destinies. They are meant to provoke thought and critical engagement, and I hope are accessible enough for people to connect with and feel the same sense of urgency that I do to push back at systems of oppression and complacency in societies.<code><\/code><\/p>\n<p><em>Do you consider your art a form of political activism? [Which causes are you most involved with in your art? Environmentalism comes to mind?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Yes, I think it depends on the medium which issues I\u2019m dealing with. With things more rooted in human rights and social justice, they often take form in more text-based or figurative works, as traditionally, the visual vocabulary of activist art is often font or graphic-heavy, which makes for\u00a0powerful and memorable iconography. I recognize and often draw from this potent and impactful way of working when I work in collage, zine, or digital art forms. With painting and fiber arts, I gravitate more toward the abstraction route, as it offers some respite from messaging and there is a bit more room for interpretation of the works. With color, shape, texture, and gravity, narrative is less controlled and offers an opportunity to connect on another sensory level, which can be empowering, because people can draw from the art in many different ways while you are leading them somewhere more ambiguous, and I\u2019ve found that it\u2019s often those conversations that are most exciting and can lead to something revelatory. In these works, I focus more on environmental concerns, and collect and repurpose discarded materials and consumer waste. In salvaging the unwanted, I am finding ways to think about care, potential, and sustainable modes of living. I piece them together slowly and painstakingly, giving them the attention and love they have been denied. I hope that this will inspire others to help undo the extreme damage done to this planet. I impart my practice in all of my classes, and it\u2019s great to see when students and other artists bring it into their practice. So I think that\u2019s also a form of activism. Engaging different generations of students to think more ecologically about material sourcing, use, and potential.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you work at regularly scheduled time? Is creation planned, detailed, spontaneous, improvisational, reactive, proactive?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I generally don\u2019t have a set time, I feel the impetus to create, and work that way. The schedule and the implementation of rules is something that I\u2019ve never worked well with. I love the fluidity of time and space. And when I sit down to work, I sometimes have an idea in mind; other times, it\u2019s purely free-flowing.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you consider yourself a conceptual artist?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In some ways, I would say so. I\u2019m really driven by both materiality as well as concept, as a means of exploring questions or human behavior through art. Sometimes I explore materials conceptually as well: where does this material come from? What are the ethical implications of its production, the marketing, its intended use, what becomes of it upon human interaction? Do repercussions result from its existence? How can it be transformed after it\u2019s been disposed of?<\/p>\n<p><em>Did you study Art?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Artists are such unique contributors\/members of societies they inhabit, and the roles vary so much based upon the conditions in which they exist. I went to UMass Boston, a state university, double majored in studio art and anthropology in college, and minored in women\u2019s, gender &amp; sexuality studies. I was fortunate enough in many ways to have some freedom to tailor my studies to explore art around the world, and to think about human evolution and degradation through a visual art lens. I was able to understand revolution, protest, war, environmental destruction, economic collapse, education systems, politics, oppression, consumerism, and resilience through the art made that addressed or responded to these issues.<\/p>\n<p>I have so much admiration for my former art educators. They pushed me, nourished me, and gave me the space I needed to grow. I am so grateful for their support and belief that I was making work that mattered. Everyone should feel that they matter, and that the work they do has value and validity. I learned so much about how to be an artist from then, but also how to be a compassionate educator that does their best to make sure their students are prepared for what awaits them beyond graduation.<\/p>\n<p>The ways I look at history and contemporary culture are drawn from my archaeology and art courses and the professors who taught them. Their expertise contributed a lot to my worldview. From studying indigenous cultures and later doing archaeology field work with two New England tribes and understanding history through those lenses, to understanding world history through photography art history classes, or through finer , I began to see ways to use art in ways that spoke of documentation in an array of forms. I began to make connections into how I could weave activism through art. I was so continually inspired through the experiences I had while in school. They provided insight into who I wanted to be as an art educator, and how my practice plays into the curricula I create.<\/p>\n<p><em>What role does money, income play in your creation of art?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The fact of not having much definitely does impact how and what I create. I have learned as I have grown as an artist just how much this plays into the ways I work, and what is produced in the studio. I only buy the bare bones required\u2014mainly glue, paint, tools, a basic sewing kit. Everything else has been collected from various free stores, artists upgrading their materials, recycled from daily life, or scrounged from various pockets of the world. In a way, I am a collector, an archivist, and a repurposer of the mundane, much more so than a consumer. It pains me to have to purchase things when I know that so many things go to waste, and I\u2019m much more interested in using an almost empty mascara tube than a new box of something, because I want to push that nearly-gone object into new terrains. There\u2019s something really magical about that process for me.<\/p>\n<p><em>Is your basic living income derived from your art?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>My income is mainly derived from teaching art, much more so than selling work. My work is not for everyone\u2019s taste, it has punk roots, and is very DIY and all about rule-breaking and not caring what the crowd is doing. I would never want my work to be just a commodity, or something purely decorative. It\u2019s raw, primal and vulnerable. So while I appreciate that it\u2019s not everyone\u2019s cup of tea, when someone does connect with it, it makes that much more meaningful.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you apply for grants, fellowships etc.?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I have not been doing much in terms of applying for things since the pandemic began. I had been teaching remotely for the first year and a half, before being thrust back into a fusion of remote and in-person classes, and it was the most challenging point in my teaching career yet. I teach a wide range of courses, disciplines, and ages, so I\u2019m constantly moving furniture and materials around between classes and setting up demos. Additionally, as an adjunct professor and a teaching artist, I am an independent contractor, working for multiple schools and organizations. Each one has their own platform, curriculum setup, point people, and requirements. So I have numerous email accounts, faculty meetings, and administrative tasks each week, on top of individual and group meetings and check-ins with students. Time that I had spent commuting pivoted to endless Zoom calls, Google Meets, emails, stream updates, Slack responses, and etcetera. As we moved back to in-person classes, the demands remained, while commuting time and in-person meetings also factored back into the equation. So I would say the last year has really been a new learning curve of how to budget in-person and virtual needs in a way that doesn\u2019t burn one out, while still supporting my many students to the fullest of my capabilities. That has been my main area of focus, which is still being delicately navigated, and taken up an extraordinary amount of time. I\u2019m hoping that as things move forward, my time will be my own again and I can pursue my interests and fulfill my needs and remind myself again why I chose this path.<\/p>\n<p><em>What work, important interests occupy you in addition to art?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Social justice initiatives and issues are really important and occupy the rest of my time. I think they intersect a lot with education and art in a myriad of ways, or at least in the work that I do. It\u2019s very important to continue to find new ways to use our time and strengths to address these issues.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you give artist talks?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I do a fair amount of artist talks. It\u2019s so awesome to connect with people through conversations about art in meaningful ways through discussion. Engaged dialogue is so nourishing and reflective, and something I can\u2019t convey the significance of enough.<\/p>\n<p><em>Many thanks to Yasmeen Abdallah; view Yasmeen&#8217;s work <a href=\"https:\/\/www.yasmeenabdallah.com\/\">here<\/a>, and in our ArtIsUnity Gallery.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul class=\"display-posts-listing\"><li class=\"listing-item\"><a class=\"title\" href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/judy-graboyes\/\">Judy Graboyes<\/a><div class=\"content\"><div id=\"ttfmake-1624907549\" class=\"ttfmake-notice\" style=\"background-color: #eaecee; color: #000000; padding: 10px 20px; border: 2px solid #eeee22;\">\n<figure id=\"attachment_1225\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1225\" style=\"width: 292px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1225 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/IMG_8554-292x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"292\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/IMG_8554-292x300.jpg 292w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/IMG_8554-998x1024.jpg 998w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/IMG_8554-768x788.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/IMG_8554-1497x1536.jpg 1497w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/IMG_8554-1996x2048.jpg 1996w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 292px) 100vw, 292px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1225\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chinatown, San Francisco<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><em><strong>Judy Graboyes ArtIsUnity Interview<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Judy, you play several instruments, are a band leader as well as participant in bands, you write poetry, and co-edited and published Loud &amp; Proud, A Journal of Lesbian Creativity, and are also a visual artist. Do you think of yourself as an artist\u2014musician, writer, photographer, etcetera?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I do not think of myself as an artist, but I do think of myself as a musician, and in the professional music world, musicians are called artists, so I guess technically I am an artist. I do consider myself to be a creative person through my writing, mostly poetry, and my photography.<\/p>\n<p>I call myself the accidental photographer, although I did go to commercial photography school briefly in my youth. I even had an enlarger and did some printing. I got into photography in recent years because I would post pictures on-line and a photographer I know would tell me that I have a really good eye.<\/p>\n<p>I consider myself to be in the style of a photojournalist. I take pictures as I move through the world. One day, very early in the morning, I was driving in San Francisco and crossed Grant Street, the main street of SF Chinatown. As I drove across Grant Street, I noticed out of the corner of my eye that there were no cars parked on the street. It was a very striking image because it a very busy street with lots of cars parked on it.<\/p>\n<p>I slammed on my brakes and snapped a pic. That photo was when I started calling myself a photographer. \u00a0At that time, I was in a group class called <em>12 x 12<\/em>; twelve women meeting in person once a month for twelve months, and everyone would bring in a piece of art they had made at home in any medium, but it had to be 12\u201d x 12\u201d. \u00a0I switched to photography in that group, I would get the 12&#8243; x 12&#8243; prints made at a professional art printer on all different kinds of paper. Who knew there were so many kinds of photography paper.<\/p>\n<p>I started the <em>12 x 12<\/em> group because I had just come back from eleven weeks in Atlanta in 2018 where I was volunteering for the Stacey Abrams for governor campaign. I needed something big in my life after that experience, and I found out about the <em>12 x 12<\/em> class. A friend convinced me to do it even though I wasn\u2019t a visual artist. I did some 3D assemblages, then I switched to photography after my Chinatown epiphany.<\/p>\n<p><em>In this US culture where art and artist are not integrated into the activity and career options as readily available, what does it mean to be an artist, to create art?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>To me, being an artist is just to create beautiful things that also speak to other people.\u00a0I have been playing in bands off and on since 1978, and I realized a long time ago that I did not want to depend on music for a living. I wanted the security of a paycheck, and I didn\u2019t want the lifestyle of playing in clubs five nights a week.<\/p>\n<p>Also, I always knew I had the talent but not the focus to be a professional musician. Practicing alone in my house has never been my forte. John Coltrane would sit in a room and practice one scale for eight hours. Although if you gig enough, you can make it.<\/p>\n<p>I was in a band, in the late 1980s, and the other percussionist would go to the studio and practice rudiments for four hours. I said to myself back then, \u201cI would rather go to work.\u201d I needed the human interaction.<\/p>\n<p>The same with writing. I always knew I was a good writer, but that is another thing you have to sit alone and do. I only ever write when I go to a class or a group.<\/p>\n<p><em>And cultural role of art and artist?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In this culture, I see art as both political and cultural, and the two go hand in hand. Art is a beautiful tool to unite people around political causes. Visual art can be political, theater and film can be political, and spoken or written word can certainly be political.<\/p>\n<p>For example, V\u00edctor Jara was a Chilean singer-songwriter and key figure in the Nueva Canci\u00f3n (New Song) movement whose music focused on social justice, worker&#8217;s rights, and anti-imperialism. During the coup that overthrew Salvador Allende in Chile in 1973, the military captured Victor Jara and smashed his hands and wrists severely with rifle butts to prevent him from playing the guitar, and as a symbolic gesture to silence artists. The right wing knows the power of art.<\/p>\n<p>Art brings people together, it creates the joy we need to keep going, and it is a great way to raise funds. I accidentally fell into fundraising by producing musical events and I have raised almost $100,000 pretty much single-handedly for various nonprofits. I do love to create events. I have pretty much single-handedly produced over 25 events, mostly fundraisers. I create something that involves people. I am a fantastic networker.<\/p>\n<p>For eight years, I produced a musical extravaganza for the Charlotte Maxwell Clinic in Oakland. Most of the performers were black women, and all the performers got paid. I flew musicians in from New York and Atlanta, and some pretty magical music was created.<\/p>\n<p>Art is a vehicle to keep people in community, which we desperately need at this point in our country, I feel proud of my contribution to that effort.<\/p>\n<p><em>You co-edited and published Loud and Proud: A journal of Lesbian Creativity. Talk about how that came about.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>As I mentioned before, I don\u2019t like to do things that require sitting alone at home. I have known for a long time that I am a decent writer, but writing is a solitary craft. At some point during Covid, Celenia Del Sol, one of the members of the Rossmoor Lesbian Social Club who was trained in the Amherst Writing Method, started giving writing workshops on zoom. I took the workshop and organically began writing poetry.<\/p>\n<p>After several months of workshops, it was time for the Rossmoor LGBT Alliance Pride events.\u00a0 Being the producer that I am, I organized an on-line Pride reading for all the women that took Celenia\u2019s workshop and any other member of the Alliance who wanted to read. This was another example of the existential question about art; is it about the internal process of creating or is it about sharing it with the outer world and getting all that external validation. A healthy balance is the answer.<\/p>\n<p>The reading was such as success that Celenia and I looked at each other, and in the same breath we both said, \u201cWe should make a book.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That is how <em>Loud and Proud<\/em> was born.\u00a0 We decided to add visual art as well as written word. A friend of mine is a really great graphic artist, so we hired her to lay it out and do all the graphics. The finished product was quite professional and beautiful.<\/p>\n<p>We printed 200 copies, and it sold out quickly. We had a launch party outside, which was a really special gathering during Covid. We intended to keep the journal going with a commitment to have 50% of the contributors be women of color, but neither of us had the time for such a full-time endeavor.<\/p>\n<p>It is great for me to have another tangible example of my creativity; my one and only published writing. You know what they say. If you want something done, sometimes you have to do it yourself.<\/p>\n<p>I am very proud of both my writing in <em>Loud and Proud<\/em> the process of producing the magazine. We still have the digital layout, so we can print more copies in the future if we want.<\/p>\n<p><em>Talk about your &#8220;day job&#8221; and relationship of having a basic living income to creating art? You&#8217;re involved in affordable housing and I would say you have an affinity for housing as physical space as living environment. For you, is there an artistry in business?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I knew a long time ago that I didn\u2019t want to rely on music to earn a living, so while I am not opposed to getting paid to play music, I am able to contribute my music for free, if needed, to fundraisers, casual gigs, etcetera.<\/p>\n<p>I am also lucky that I found a career that fed my soul as well as supports me financially. I have worked in affordable housing since 1994. It\u2019s a perfect combination of my business and accounting background, my love of real estate, and my need to have work with redeeming social value.<\/p>\n<p>Being a good writer definitely helps in the business world. My work feels like assemblage, an art term invented in the 1950s by Jean Dubuffet, that incorporates &#8220;junk&#8221; or scavenged items in its 3D creations. When I was a lender, I had to assemble all the different parties in the deal and usher (or drag) the team toward the finish line; closing the loan. The \u201cjunk\u201d is the money part, the building part, the people part, and the finished product is a loan that allows a building to be built that houses a group of people and workers that creates its own synergy.\u00a0 It\u2019s also like arranging a song. Taking all the pieces and creating a song. It is a creative process for sure!<\/p>\n<p><em>Ahh yes, the creative art of living.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Many thanks to Judy Graboyes; view her photographs in our Art Is Unity <a href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/gallery\/\">Gallery<\/a>. \u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"listing-item\"><a class=\"title\" href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/tony-gonzalez\/\">Tony Gonzalez<\/a><div class=\"content\"><div id=\"ttfmake-1624907549\" class=\"ttfmake-notice\" style=\"background-color: #eaecee; color: #000000; padding: 10px 20px; border: 2px solid #eeee22;\">\n<p>Tony Gonzalez ArtIsUnity Interview<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-716 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/w_title_chance-encounter-250x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"250\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/w_title_chance-encounter-250x300.png 250w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/w_title_chance-encounter.png 658w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px\" \/><br \/>\nAs far back as I can remember being an artist is all I ever really wanted to be. Drawing was my safe place. I had many interests which I always drew about.<\/p>\n<p>A memory I haul out whenever anyone asks me about my art\u2014is of my being in a vacant lot and dragging a stick through the dirt and just reveling at that roosted tail of dirt that was flying up.<\/p>\n<p><em>In this US culture where art and artist are not integrated into the activity and career options as readily available, what does it mean to be an artist, to create art?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I have a very expansive idea of what being an artist is. &#8220;Artist&#8221; signifies a way of being in the world, of being present, open and striving to be authentic. It is my experience that when drawing (and engaging in other kinds of creative activities) I&#8217;m able to cultivate these qualities\u2014being present, open and authentic.<\/p>\n<p><em>Did you study Art?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I went to the Art Center College of Design, in Pasadena, where the education was all about learning &#8220;skills&#8221;, as opposed to esoteric high concept stuff: techniques, color and design theory, classical renaissance drawing, portrait painting. I also studied for many years at the Art Students League: anatomy, figure painting in oils, classical figurative sculpture, pastels. What I loved, and found most useful, about art school was learning to &#8220;see&#8221; the physics and geometry of the world.<\/p>\n<p><em>Are there things you had to unlearn?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Not really, although my notions of what it meant to be an artist (what an artist&#8217;s priorities should be) evolved as I matured and read some Eastern Philosophy (Cage, Suzuki) and learned about modernism and all the other isms.<\/p>\n<p><em>Are there Art movements, styles, periods and or artists that you&#8217;re drawn to, influenced by?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Many! In rough chronological order; cave drawings, Giotto, El Greco (and all the late renaissance mannerists e.g. Pontormo, Bronzino), Wiener Werkst\u00e4tte (Egon Schiele, Oskar Kokoschka, Klimt), Edgar Degas, Van Gogh, Picasso, DEKOONING!!!!!, Arshile Gorky, The Mexican Muralists (Siqueiros and Orozco), Black Mountain College artists, John Cage, Robert Rauschenberg, Jasper Johns, Merce Cunningham, Richard Serra.<\/p>\n<p><em>Does the medium you&#8217;re working in influence the content, the composition of what you&#8217;re creating?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Absolutely. The work is a conversation with the medium. Every medium is different and demands to be engaged with in very specific ways. How you make the marks has everything to do with what organically emerges from the mark making.<\/p>\n<p>Just drawing in the dirt and that is the pure experience; that is my touchstone, my standard when I&#8217;m working for myself on my own to make it meaningful\u2026that\u2019s what I want to capture that&#8217;s more important than anything else\u2026That&#8217;s what makes it worth doing\u2026makes it exciting\u2026what brings joy into my heart\u2026just working and seeing what happens\u2026<\/p>\n<p><em>Talk about the computer art apps you work with.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I have used Photoshop a lot over the years\u2014scanning pencil or ink drawings and then manipulating them digitally. More recently I have been learning an app called Procreate &#8211; drawing with a stylus on my iPad. I love the freedom and spontaneity of drawing digitally in Procreate, but it is more difficult to get to that creative razor&#8217;s edge (where the most exciting things happen). Because of the infinite number of times you can easily correct and re-do a mark, there is no chance of accidentally destroying the image being created, as is the case with conventional drawing tools. The artists whose work I most admire, Egon Schiele, de Kooning, Van Gogh, Picasso inhabit that place, as if they are working on the edge of a cliff and could fall to their deaths at any moment.<\/p>\n<p><em>How does the medium influence how you work? How you show, share your work?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Procreate allows me (with a click or a tap) to try and surprise myself as I&#8217;m working.<\/p>\n<p>As I mentioned earlier, what is exciting about making art is the conversation with the medium. I want push-back\u2014to be thrown off balance\u2014to be delighted by relationships on the page that I could not have planned, relationships that emerged through the conversation with the medium.<\/p>\n<p>What, if any, is your primary medium? Is the medium you primarily work in you preferred medium?<\/p>\n<p>I am a draftsman, a graphomaniac obsessed with making marks, and delighted when the marks I&#8217;m making surprise me and send me someplace new and exciting.<\/p>\n<p><em>In illustrating a book do you work from the feel, thought of the book as an entirety, or do you work with the visuals the words invoke as the story is progressing, or some combination, or something totally other?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Although I have done quite a bit of commercial illustration and painted several murals, I have never illustrated a book. As an editorial illustrator I had to create a visual representation which illuminated the text of the accompanying editorial without being literal\u2014like creating a parallel visual universe, riffing on the concepts explored in the text.<\/p>\n<p><em>Talk about being a muralist\u2014what that requires? What are the collective, community aspects of mural creation?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The context of each mural job will be very specific and very different from all the others. A muralist has to be a good storyteller and understand composition and design. Interpersonal skills are also important. There is always a &#8220;client&#8221; that needs to be satisfied, which can require compromising a &#8220;creative vision&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do, how do current events\/politics impact your creation?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Indirectly. Politics and social justice issues interest me, but I seldom attempt to make a drawing about &#8220;something&#8221;. Although I have done a lot of editorial illustrations for publications, of which I am very proud, the work that I do that is most meaningful to me is more nuanced.<\/p>\n<p>It is hard to explain, but I always intend to draw without any &#8220;intention&#8221; at all. I do not &#8220;plan&#8221; or &#8220;compose&#8221; or &#8220;try to tell a story&#8221;. I love the act of making marks on a page and seeing what comes burbling up from my subconscious and out through my fingers &#8211; without judgement. If in the end the drawing appears to tell a story or implies a narrative that happens much later in the process\u2014and was NEVER the driving force.<\/p>\n<p><em>Is your art actively influenced by thoughts, emotions, spirit in the moment of creation?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Thoughts, emotions, spirit of the moment about sums up what is most important to my process.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you have other things going on when creating: music, visuals, meetings, company?<\/em><br \/>\n<em>I often play music when I draw \u2013 gritty blues guitar, or sometimes classical (Mozart).<\/em><\/p>\n<p>What are, if any, your work habits? Do you work at regularly scheduled time?<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t really have a scheduled time to make art, although I tend to be up late drawing (when there is less chance of being distracted of disturbed. When I&#8217;m able to get lost in the creative experience everything else fades into the background and I &#8220;forget&#8221; to eat, go to bed etcetera.<\/p>\n<p><em>Is creation planned, detailed, spontaneous, improvisational, reactive, proactive?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>All of the above &#8211; except for &#8220;planned&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you have any particular physical aspects that influence your work?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>When I write, talk about making art, I am mostly referring to drawing. Although I have explored other media, drawing is where I live. When I teach, I tell my students that I approach the act of drawing not so differently than one might approach shooting baskets (or plug in any physical activity that requires being in sync with your body). A fluent draftsman might look at a particular fluid line in a drawing done 500 years ago by Michelangelo and &#8220;know&#8221; that Michelangelo was likely exhaling as his hand moved across the page. Classical fluent drawing is supported by one&#8217;s breathing and posture among other things. So \u2013 yes, it is very much about the physicality and the &#8220;rhythm&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><em>Is there an artist or art work\u2014more than one\u2014that has made a lasting impression on you?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>As a very young man I viewed El Greco\u2019s painting &#8220;The Assumption of the Virgin&#8221; at the Chicago Art Institute and it changed me.<\/p>\n<p>As a young man I could not articulate how or why\u2014I just knew that El Greco&#8217;s painting spoke to me (shouted actually). El Greco was the first western artist to make his paintings about the dynamic physical act of painting (The marks! The brush strokes!). His painting was about the surface of the canvas (this fact was not so readily apparent in the small El Greco reproductions I had previously seen only in books). He was not pretending to create the illusion of reality\u2014of three dimensions on a two dimensional surface, as if one was looking through a window onto the scene being depicted. He was doing so much more. In my mind the abstract expressionists of the 20th century are his direct descendants. In El Greco&#8217;s work I can see how he was having his &#8220;conversation with the medium&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><em>What role does money, income play in your creation of art?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>None.<\/p>\n<p><em>Is your basic living income derived from, related to your art?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>No. However the qualities of being an artist that I hold dear have practical applications. I&#8217;m a creative problem solver who loves the journey\u2014the experience of exploring a new medium. When you approach your days as an artist then a classroom full of kids can become the &#8220;medium&#8221; that &#8220;pushes back&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you have an art representative, an agent, or work with a gallery?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>No.<\/p>\n<p><em>Talk about selling and or giving your art away. What is that like?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Although I&#8217;ve had paid commissions and had work in gallery exhibitions and sold occasionally, the income derived has been negligible. The commercial art work I have done was more consistent for a time, but, as I tried to explain above, that stuff doesn&#8217;t count.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is it like to part with your creation?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>If someone truly understands, appreciates a work I have created then they are appreciating and understanding something intimate and personal about me. Something that cannot typically be expressed in words.<\/p>\n<p><em>What work, important interest occupy you in addition to art?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Politics, art education, literature.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you apply for grants, fellowships, for gallery shows and other exhibits?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Rarely. I\u2019ve had my heart broken so many times in the past.<\/p>\n<p><em>You&#8217;re a teaching artist\u2014what is that like for you?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I love to teach. I spend an inordinate amount of time searching for meaningful experiences. As a practical matter, life is full of stuff that seems pointless. When I\u2019m in front of a classroom full of New York City kids I feel I have a &#8220;purpose&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you give artist talks?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I have had the opportunity to talk about my work in various public forums over the years &#8211; and I have taught adult drawing classes.<\/p>\n<p><em>Lastly, do you see Art as a unifying energy, dynamic?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I want to answer &#8220;Yes.&#8221; &#8220;Obviously.&#8221; But this question is so broad. A lot of very exciting and profound art (out there in the world and historically) has come from horrific circumstances and or from horrible broken people. Its function is not to create balance or harmony, but it is &#8220;authentic&#8221; and &#8220;true&#8221; and important\u2014and I&#8217;m glad it exists even though it may not make me feel &#8220;good&#8221;. I believe that the function of art, above and beyond anything else, is to tell the truth. Sometimes the truth is ugly and dark.<\/p>\n<p><em>Art Is Unity thanks Tony Gonzalez for this interview and many art conversations.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"listing-item\"><a class=\"title\" href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/eric-drooker\/\">Eric Drooker<\/a><div class=\"content\"><div id=\"ttfmake-1624907549\" class=\"ttfmake-notice\" style=\"background-color: #eaecee; color: #000000; padding: 10px 20px; border: 2px solid #eeee22;\">\n<h4><em><strong><strong>Eric Drooker <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1122 size-medium alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Illuminated_20240407_124415-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Illuminated_20240407_124415-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Illuminated_20240407_124415-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Illuminated_20240407_124415-1152x1536.jpg 1152w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Illuminated_20240407_124415-1536x2048.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Illuminated_20240407_124415-scaled.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/><\/strong><\/strong><\/em><\/h4>\n<p><strong><em>THEN<\/em><\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe year was 1967 and I was an eight-year-old boy riding the crosstown bus with my mother.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe bus stopped on Avenue A, and a man with black-rimmed glasses and a big black beard entered alone and sat down in front of us.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMy mother leaned over and whispered in my ear that the man in front of us was a famous poet.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI didn\u2019t know what to think. What did a famous poet do all day\u2026write poems?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Eric Drooker, from Prologue to Illuminated Poems, Allen Ginsberg, Eric Drooker<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI first glimpsed Eric Drooker\u2019s odd name on posters pasted on fire alarms sides, construction walls checkered with advertisements, &amp; lamppost junction boxes in the vortex of Lower East Side Avenues leading to Tompkins Square Park, where radical social dislocation mixed homeless plastic tents with Wigstock transvestite dress-up anniversaries, Rastas sitting on benches sharing spliff, kids with purple Mohawks,\u2026 Eric Drooker\u2019s numerous block print-like posters announced much local action, especially squatters\u2019 struggles and\u2026\u201d\u00a0 \u2014Allen Ginsberg, from Introduction to Illuminated Poems, Allen Ginsberg, Eric Drooker<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1123 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/nyer-13-219x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"135\" height=\"185\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/nyer-13-219x300.jpg 219w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/nyer-13-748x1024.jpg 748w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/nyer-13.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 135px) 100vw, 135px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>and <em><strong>NOW<\/strong><\/em>,\u00a0\u00a0 <strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1116 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/naked-city-cover-216x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"216\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/naked-city-cover-216x300.jpg 216w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/naked-city-cover-737x1024.jpg 737w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/naked-city-cover-768x1068.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/naked-city-cover-1105x1536.jpg 1105w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/naked-city-cover-1473x2048.jpg 1473w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/naked-city-cover.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 216px) 100vw, 216px\" \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>as the beat goes on&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Eric Drooker, who Art Is Unity&#8217;s Carletta Joy Walker met while producing radio for Pacifica, Wbai radio in New York City, has completed another graphic novel (Naked City, coming out in October); he is carrying on with his vibrant art in what I think of as a conversation with what is happening on our streets, doing covers for the New Yorker magazine, and also playing his banjo while living in the SF Bay area.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Eric Drooker in <a href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/gallery\/\">Art Is Unity Gallery<\/a> and at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.drooker.com\/\">DROOKER<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"listing-item\"><a class=\"title\" href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/jonah-winter\/\">Jonah Winter<\/a><div class=\"content\"><div id=\"ttfmake-1624907549\" class=\"ttfmake-notice\" style=\"background-color: #eaecee; color: #000000; padding: 10px 20px; border: 2px solid #eeee22;\">\n<h4><em><strong>Art Is Unity Interviews Jonah Winter<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/em><\/h4>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1092\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1092\" style=\"width: 218px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1092 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Jonah-Winter-cover-218x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"218\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Jonah-Winter-cover-218x300.jpg 218w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Jonah-Winter-cover.jpg 581w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 218px) 100vw, 218px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1092\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Banned Book by Jonah Winter Illustrated by Gary Kelley Creative Editions, August 2023<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I&#8217;ve always been uncomfortable calling myself anything&#8230; except for &#8220;Jonah Winter.&#8221; And I&#8217;m not entirely sure why. I guess I think the point of life is to do what you do and let other people put a label on it. I think I probably also absorbed a certain ethic from both of my artist-parents, neither of whom have ever been very fond of calling themselves &#8220;artists,&#8221; though they have been painting and drawing since they were little children. When I left my full-time job as an editor in 1991 and became a freelancer, I spent most of my time playing music (for money), writing (some of it for money), editing (for money), and reading (obviously not for money). The times I wasn&#8217;t doing those things, I was cooking or exercising.<\/p>\n<p><em>Your first books, Fair Ball and Beisbol!, talk about writing, illustrating, and having them published.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>My first book was <strong><em>Diego<\/em><\/strong> \u2013 a picture book biography about Diego Rivera. But <strong><em>Fair Ball: 14 Great Stars from Baseball\u2019s Negro Leagues<\/em><\/strong> was my 2<sup>nd<\/sup> book, and <strong><em>Beisbol<\/em><\/strong>! came out not long after that. I did loads and loads and loads of research \u2013 none of it involving the internet, because I did not yet own a computer or use the internet when I wrote them.\u00a0 So, I used books from the library for the first one (which I wrote in the early 90s, <strong><em>Fair Ball<\/em><\/strong>) \u2013 because I was too poor to purchase the books.\u00a0 By the time I was researching <strong><em>Beisbol!<\/em><\/strong>, in the late 90s, I lived in the Maine woods and had enough money to buy books at that point, books that I still own.\u00a0 When researching <strong><em>Fair Ball<\/em><\/strong>, I took a road trip (from San Francisco, where I was living) to Kansas City, to visit the newly opened Negro Leagues Museum.\u00a0 I believe it is now a much larger museum than it was then, in 1994, when I visited it.<\/p>\n<p><em>What prompted your first books?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I was prompted to write these books by two things \u2013 my lifelong obsessions with baseball and racial injustice. Through this topic \u2013 the \u201cNegro Leagues\u201d \u2013 I found a perfect outlet for a nonfiction topic I wanted to share with children through my books.\u00a0 As far as the illustrations go, I wanted them to look like old-fashioned baseball cards. I was a baseball-card-collecting maniac as a kid (I still have all my cards \u2013 from the late 60s and early 70s), and I\u2019ve always loved the look of the really old cards, some of which were paintings and others of which were tinted photographs.\u00a0 I was flabbergasted by the fact that the Negro Leagues players, aside from the horrific racist indignities they endured simply by being barred from the Major Leagues because of their ethnicity, never had baseball cards made of them.<\/p>\n<p>I decided to paint the portraits of them in the style of old-fashioned baseball cards \u2013 tinted photographs \u2013 to give them the cards they so deserved but never had during their careers.\u00a0 It was rather audacious of me to think I could do this and get it published.\u00a0\u00a0 I had never studied art \u2013 well, except for one summer with my father, who was an art professor.\u00a0 Both of my parents are artists, and I was surrounded by art during my entire childhood \u2013 and created a lot of it myself. But the stuff I had created was NOT in the photo-realist style I used with these baseball paintings!<\/p>\n<p>That was a real challenge.\u00a0 I photocopied black and white photos from library books for my source material.\u00a0 And I used a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny paintbrush with only 3 or 4 hairs on it (\u201cOOOO\u201d).\u00a0 And in the process of making these portraits, which I would spend 12-to-15 hours a day on, hunched over my drawing table, I probably did permanent damage to my eyes. I would have to go soak my painting hand in ice water because of how cramped it got.\u00a0 A labor of love!<\/p>\n<p><em>When did you know you could quit your day job?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I quit my day job in December of 1991, a couple months after the publication of my first book, <strong><em>Diego<\/em><\/strong>. I did not \u201cknow\u201d I could quit my job \u2013 I just hauled off and did it.\u00a0\u00a0 It was kind of crazy, I guess, for me to assume I could support myself on royalties and freelance work. But here it is, 32 years later, and that\u2019s how I\u2019ve supported myself since I quit my job.\u00a0 My day job, by the way, was as an associate editor at Random House.\u00a0 I made barely enough money to pay the rent for my rent-controlled apartment.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know what publishing salaries are like now, but they were abysmal back when I worked in publishing. My first publishing job, in 1984, as an editorial assistant at Knopf, paid less than $12K a year. I quit that job and went off to graduate school (in creative writing) for 3 years, then came back in 1988 and basically got my old job back \u2013 but as an assistant editor. I can\u2019t remember what my salary was then, but it wasn\u2019t much.<\/p>\n<p>My last birthday spent at Random House, I did not have enough money to buy lunch for myself (it was a couple days till my next paycheck). And so one of my officemates gave me her bag of dried wonton noodles from her hot &amp; sour soup, and that, with some duck sauce and mustard, was my birthday lunch. I think that may have been the day I started plotting my escape. I moved, in January 1992, to San Francisco, into a big group apartment where some friends of mine lived. The rent was $245\/month. For the first couple years, I made only $6,000\/year of income \u2013 some of it from a band that I joined. I spent my days writing, reading, freelance-editing, and practicing various musical instruments (and often performing). Those two years were two of the best years of my life.\u00a0\u00a0 I did not regret my decision at all.\u00a0 And thinking back on it, I know it was the best decision I ever made.<\/p>\n<p><em>Say more about \u201cbeing\u201d an artist, an author?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The weird thing is, for me, that when I&#8217;m just walking around &#8212; you know, in public &#8212; I feel like a bum, like nobody, like nothing. I have no identity as &#8220;JONAH WINTER: AUTHOR.&#8221; I just see myself as some guy, and not a particularly important one. I dress in a way that is different from most people, but I&#8217;ve done that for so many years, that I don&#8217;t even remember I&#8217;m dressed in a way that might be considered &#8220;different.&#8221; When I&#8217;m not in public, when I&#8217;m at home, my focus is on coming up with new projects to write, with figuring out ways to continue supporting myself with my writing. I&#8217;m well-aware that many people in the literary world do not consider children&#8217;s books (or at least picture books) &#8220;literature.&#8221; I think I have probably absorbed this, and as such, it&#8217;s hard for me to think &#8220;I&#8217;m a writer!&#8221; Because I know that so many people, even people I consider friends, probably are thinking, &#8220;How hard can it be&#8230;?&#8221; You know, to write a picture book. And that&#8217;s the main sort of writing I&#8217;ve been doing now for the past, say, 15 years.<\/p>\n<p>I once got a letter from a young woman who had become a teacher and told me that she chose her life path after being inspired by a book of mine she&#8217;d read as a child. This was one of the most emotional experiences of my life. What a profound thing. It&#8217;s funny, though \u2013 when children ask me what it&#8217;s like to be an author, I often don&#8217;t know what to say! Because I don&#8217;t really think of myself as an author. So I usually say something like, &#8220;Well, you get to sit around all day in your pajamas.&#8221; That always gets a laugh &#8212; especially since it looks like I&#8217;m still wearing my pajamas as I&#8217;m doing my author visit!<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you have visual images in your mind as you are developing the story you are telling?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I always have visual images in mind when developing a story \u2013 that\u2019s a necessary part of the process.\u00a0\u00a0 Because I write solely picture books, the stories have to be fundamentally visual.\u00a0 My goal is to create a text that can make for pictures that could tell the story even without the text.\u00a0 So with most stories I write, I plot out the sequence of images before I write the story \u2013 just so I will have a sense of what the visual impact is going to be.\u00a0 The trick is writing a text which is a good story \u2013 not just a set of passages describing images. The images have to be implied in the text, without being overly described. There is so much, as well, that an author can leave to the illustrator, in terms of telling the story. So, with the text, less is definitely more.<\/p>\n<p>I struggle with this somewhat, as I am naturally long-winded by nature! The trick, for me, is in seeing how much I can remove from a story \u2013 how many words, images, and informational details I can remove.\u00a0 In the past, I\u2019ve likened the process to a sculptor carving a block of marble.\u00a0 The point is to get rid of stuff, not add \u2013 this is especially true for nonfiction stories, biographies. You can\u2019t tell the whole life story in 32 pages.\u00a0 And you can\u2019t hold a child\u2019s attention if you jam in too much information in those 32 pages. Anyhow, yes, I always have a visual sequence of images in mind when I write a story \u2013 and it\u2019s always interesting to see what an illustrator does with it, and how closely what they come up with resembles my original vision. It\u2019s fine if it doesn\u2019t. The main thing is that they find something in the text to inspire them to tell the story visually.<\/p>\n<p><em>You work with many different Illustrators and have said that most often the publisher chooses. Does the publishers\u2019 choice always work out? Has there been a time when you were less than pleased?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>As far as illustrators go, I would say \u201cI feel myself to be the luckiest man on earth,\u201d except things clearly did not work out so well for the person who coined that expression. But I have been lucky \u2013 exceptionally so. I\u2019ve had 3 books illustrated by the brilliant Barry Blitt \u2013 and 3 more illustrated by the peerless Terry Widener. The illustrators I\u2019ve had the good fortune to work with read like a Who\u2019s Who of Best Illustrators \u2013 Bob Staake, Shane Evans, Calef Brown, Marjorie Priceman, James Ransome, Richard Egielski, Bryan Collier, Ana Juan, Sean Qualls, Raul Colon, Stacy Innerst, Red Nose Studio, and of course, the inimitable Jeanette Winter.\u00a0\u00a0 Sometimes, I\u2019ve suggested the illustrator.\u00a0 For my book, <strong><em>The Founding Fathers<\/em><\/strong>, I said it had to be Barry Blitt, and it was. I said it had to be Terry Widener for <strong><em>Steel Town<\/em><\/strong>, and it was.\u00a0 With <strong><em>The Secret Project<\/em><\/strong>, it had to be my mom, and it was. Sometimes, the editor and I have discussed the possibilities before they\u2019ve asked a specific illustrator. I think it\u2019s a very dangerous thing for an author to speak publicly about an illustrator not living up to his\/her expectations for a book. Yes, there have been a couple of times that I was less than thrilled with the illustrations. But those times are far outnumbered by the times I\u2019ve been absolutely thrilled. The chemistry in a book between the words and the pictures is kind of like the chemistry in live theater. Usually it works, and the magic it creates is so much more than the sum of its parts.<\/p>\n<p><em>You Illustrated two of your books. talk about why you didn\u2019t continue illustrating your writing.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Well, aside from the near blindness and carpal tunnel syndrome it induced\u2026, my illustrating style was simply not cost-effective.\u00a0 By the time I finished the illustrations for those 2 books, my hourly wage had dipped down to something like 10 cents an hour. And that style, photo-realism, ultimately lends itself to a very limited range of topics or books that could be illustrated.\u00a0 I\u2019ve thought about trying again with a totally different style, and I\u2019ve done some samples in starts and fits. I may still try it again someday\u2026.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you have a treasure trove of writing and illustrations in a\u00a0 treasure chest somewhere?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Sure! My filing cabinets! My god, I guess I shouldn\u2019t even admit this publicly, but yes, I have many things that I\u2019ve written, and some paintings too, that have never been published. I have 5 poetry manuscripts for adults that have never been published.\u00a0 I just stopped trying to get my poetry published about 14 years ago. I didn\u2019t see the point anymore. I have 2 books of poems out. They hardly sold at all. Even the most popular American poets hardly sell any books at all \u2013 and mainly only have an audience of other poets. That\u2019s the part that got me down. It just seems like some kind of inside game. And it\u2019s all about who you know, who you went to grad school with, and how you can use those people and how they can use you. That\u2019s my take on it. In the end, too, I think literary quality has absolutely nothing to do with popularity and publishability. That\u2019s something I find especially depressing. So yes, that treasure trove\u2026.<\/p>\n<p><em>What was it like growing up in an artistic household?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Well, since an artistic household was the kind I grew up in, I\u2019m not sure how it\u2019s different from growing up in any other sort of household.\u00a0 I knew that my household was a lot different from those of my friends and schoolmates, but that had a lot to do with politics.\u00a0 My parents were basically the only liberals in an extremely rightwing neighborhood in the middle of Dallas during the 60s and 70s.\u00a0 My dad was an art professor and taught at SMU [Southern Methodist University], which is why we lived where we did \u2013 he was able to walk to work. My mother took care of me and my brother while also working at home on her children\u2019s book illustrations and other artworks (she is broadly talented). My dad had a painting studio, a building, in the backyard, where he did all his painting. When he would finish a painting, he\u2019d invite me in to look at it, and we\u2019d look for \u201ccritters\u201d together \u2013 he painted in a photo-realist style for many years, and from a distance, the paintings look exactly like photographs.\u00a0 Up close, though, they become abstract, with lots of squiggly lines and shapes \u2013 \u201ccritters.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My parents\u2019 friends were all artists, so I grew up surrounded by other artists as well, people who had devoted their lives to art.\u00a0 When I was very young, my parents participated in a \u201chappening\u201d orchestrated by Claes Oldenburg. My parents had one friend, David McManaway, who made very personal art from found objects, junk, which he called \u201cjomo\u201d art. His studio was a magical place. I can remember visiting it from an early age.\u00a0 And his house was filled with all sorts of interesting and esoteric stuff, some of it Victorian, but mainly a lot of interesting art.\u00a0 Something in that world appealed to me so much that I knew that I wanted to have something like that in my life when I grew up. And I sort of do.\u00a0 My parents are both atheists, as am I, but art was kind of like our religion \u2013 still is. It\u2019s sacred. There were many things about my childhood that were traumatic and just horrible. But I am so thankful to have been raised by artists and surrounded by art.\u00a0\u00a0 Art will sustain us, when nothing else will.<\/p>\n<p><em>What was it like working with your Mother?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Great!\u00a0 But what else am I gonna say?!? No, but seriously, she\u2019s fantastic to work with, and we\u2019ve worked enough together that I know exactly the kind of text that will inspire her the most. So, it\u2019s a real collaboration. I have such respect for her work \u2013 as do so many people. My father has often said that she is the most talented artist he\u2019s ever known. And I know that he means that, and that he\u2019s being objective. But she\u2019s also just so good at telling a story in pictures, which is of course the heart of children\u2019s book illustrating. Her style always suits the subject, and it\u2019s always been perfect for every book we\u2019ve done together. Of course, the editorial mandate to keep the author and illustrator apart during the illustration process doesn\u2019t work with us! Once, though, I had to get the editor involved as an intermediary. It was our book on Hildegard von Bingen, medieval mystic, nun, composer, and migraine-sufferer.\u00a0 My mother wanted me to remove the word \u201cGod\u201d from the text. I didn\u2019t want to, so I got the editor involved. \u201cGod\u201d stayed \u2013 but Mom got her revenge\u2026 by illustrating God as what appeared to be an enormous Nilla wafer. When she first showed me the pictures, I looked at that one for a long time, trying to figure out what that thing was, until finally it dawned on me. \u201cMom,\u201d I asked, \u201cis this Nilla-wafer-type-thing\u2026 supposed to be God?\u201d She started laughing and nodding yes. Mom\u2019s revenge.<\/p>\n<p><em>How do you choose\/decide the subject\/topic you will write about?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Sometimes I\u2019ll just start writing lists of things or people I could write about. Other times it\u2019s a conversation with someone that gives me an idea. Sometimes it\u2019s a newspaper article \u2013 or a museum visit.\u00a0 For <strong><em>The Sad Little Fact<\/em><\/strong>, it was the term \u201calternate facts,\u201d coined by Kelly Ann Conway, just after Trump took office in early 2017, that inspired me \u2013 that and the photograph of Obama\u2019s inauguration, side by side with the photo of Trump\u2019s inauguration, and Trump\u2019s insistence, regardless of this irrefutable evidence, that his inauguration was more highly attended than Obama\u2019s.\u00a0 With my book on Obama, it was hearing Obama speak at a rally in Birmingham, Alabama, of all places, that inspired me. I was visiting a friend who lived there at that time, and the day before the rally we\u2019d gone to the Civil Rights Museum there. Meditating on what went down in Birmingham back in the 1960s, during my lifetime, and then hearing Obama speak, realizing that there was a really good chance this person could be the next president of the United States, just broke me wide open. I still can\u2019t think of it without getting emotional.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is your research process for a picture book biography? <\/em><\/p>\n<p>The research process really depends entirely on the subject.\u00a0 When I wrote my bio about Sotomayor, there was no adult book out on her yet, so I had to do all my research through news articles.\u00a0\u00a0 But when I did my research for <strong><em>The Founding Fathers<\/em><\/strong>, I poured over many books \u2013 for an extended amount of time. That book, and the two baseball books I illustrated, involved the most research \u2013 many months for each book.\u00a0 It\u2019s because all 3 books are anthologies \u2013 each containing 14 profiles of different figures.\u00a0 Whew! Mainly, though, I read a few books and some online articles \u2013 and in the case of artists and musicians, spend some intensive time with their art and music.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you write and rewrite? Do you work with an editor?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It varies from story to story. My favorite stories tend to be the ones I don\u2019t rewrite much at all.\u00a0 After doing a bunch of research, and taking lots of notes about what I want to do, I just sit down and write the whole thing in one sitting. Then again, some of my better books have involved massive revision \u2013 and complete rethinking of how I\u2019m going to approach the narrative.\u00a0 <strong><em>Dizzy<\/em><\/strong> is an example of that.\u00a0 My first draft had far too much information \u2013 and just wasn\u2019t that exciting. It wasn\u2019t till I got the idea to write it like a Beat Generation poem (imagining jazz playing in the background \u2013 which does play in the background when I present this book publicly) that I really hit a stride.\u00a0 And the editor really helped me figure out what information was completely useless and holding the story back (e.g., details about Cab Calloway).\u00a0 I feel like I really advanced as a writer with that book. It got me started on a path I believe I\u2019m still on \u2013 of trying to tailor the voice and form of the story to the subject matter, and of eliminating as much information as possible.<\/p>\n<p><em>What are your work habits?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Work habits? It would be funny if that were my only answer. But the truth is, I don\u2019t have an answer that\u2019s much longer. My work habits depend entirely on how I\u2019m feeling and what I\u2019m working on. I go through periods when I\u2019m mainly just reading and casting about \u2013 or dealing with stomach problems. Then I go through periods where I\u2019m working constantly. I\u2019ve written a lot of manuscripts \u2013 I\u2019m very prolific \u2013 so laziness is not a problem with me. But in the past few years, despair has gotten in the way \u2013 despair and a sense of futility. There are so many topics I\u2019m now not \u201callowed\u201d to write about anymore \u2013 such as the topics that I\u2019m most known for writing about and have won awards for (e.g., racial justice and injustice, powerful women, the lives of people who do not share my gender or ethnicity).\u00a0 A few years ago, I was told point-blank by my main editor (who is white, as are all of my current editors) that she could not publish any more books by me \u201con women or people of color, and of course not on white men. I get it, Jonah, you\u2019re totally screwed.\u201d This is in response to the \u201cOwn Voices\u201d movement that is now sacred law in the publishing world \u2013 the law that you must have \u201cshared experience\u201d with the people you are writing about. I\u2019ve had 2 contracts cancelled because of my ethnicity and gender in relation to the subject matter.<\/p>\n<p><em>Talk about the complexity of writing potentially \u201cscary\u201d books, scary in the sense of being overwhelming for children, or adults? For example, The Secret Project. \u2026and more about venturing into realms of \u201cpolitical controversy\u201d?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Every children\u2019s book I write is premised on the notion that children can handle the truth, that they can handle so many \u201cdifficult\u201d truths that many adults fear they can\u2019t handle.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s mainly the adults who are scared.\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s not the kids.\u00a0 Kids know what it is to be scared, and they know the world\u2019s not perfect. And they appreciate honesty from adults.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s interesting \u2013 so much of the censorship happening right now in the children\u2019s book realm has to do with adults, on the two extreme ends of the political spectrum, saying that certain books are \u201charmful\u201d to children. The rightwing book bans and the \u201cprogressive\u201d (I don\u2019t think it\u2019s progressive) censorship coming from within the children\u2019s book world (the social media pile-ons, the petitions to get books cancelled, the constant pressure on publishers not to publish anything \u201cproblematic\u201d for children) are both coming from the same perspective: These people, on the Far Right and Far Left, seem to believe (I\u2019m not sure if they actually believe it \u2013 I think a lot of this is theater) that books can be \u201cdangerous\u201d and \u201charmful\u201d and often are. As I said in an essay I wrote in the NY Times Book Review about a social media pile-on I endured after the publication of <strong><em>The Secret Project<\/em><\/strong> (after a very influential blogger convinced her followers that the book was racist and \u201charmful\u201d), the only way a book could hurt a child is if it were dropped from a high story window onto the child\u2019s head.<\/p>\n<p>So when I go to write a book like <strong><em>The Secret Project<\/em><\/strong>, I don\u2019t believe it\u2019s a dangerous or scary topic \u2013 or at least, it\u2019s not so scary that it would be traumatic. Kids know that bombs exist. The bomb that\u2019s exploded at the end of this book was not dropped on people. \u00a0(And in any case, there are children all over the world having bombs dropped on them at this very moment. Bombs are harmful to children \u2013 not books.) My hope is that that wordless ending, with the 4 pictures detailing stages of the explosion, will give young readers something to think about \u2013 hopefully for the rest of their lives. This was something PEOPLE created \u2013 possibly the worst invention ever conceived by people. (Though the internet and social media are a close second \u2013 and artificial intelligence may someday win top prize.) I liked the idea of removing the story of the bomb\u2019s invention from the historic rationalizations in which it\u2019s usually discussed (\u201cbrought a quick end to the war\u201d; \u201csaved lives\u201d; \u201ca necessary evil\u201d) and the complexities of nuclear physics (not good subject matter for a picture book!) \u2013 and reducing it to its most basic narrative:\u00a0 A bunch of scientists go out to this beautiful place in the desert, and, in total secrecy, invent the most lethal thing that\u2019s ever been invented\u2014and then they blow it up.\u00a0 Apparently, Oppenheimer\u2019s first words after the Trinity Test were not \u201cI am Shiva, destroyer of worlds,\u201d but rather: \u201cWell, it worked.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>Are there topics you haven\u2019t written about because you haven\u2019t figured out how to write about them?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Yeah, estate tax law.<\/p>\n<p>Just kidding! What interests me is taking on subjects that appear to be difficult. I love the challenge. I have not yet encountered a topic so difficult that I haven\u2019t yet at least attempted to write about it.<\/p>\n<p><em>When you visit schools, are involved in programs for children, what questions are you asked?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat\u2019s your favorite color?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2019s your favorite book you ever wrote?\u201d \u201cAre you married?\u201d \u201cI, uh, uh,\u2026, forgot what I was going to ask.\u201d\u00a0 \u201cDo you have a dog?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cWhat\u2019s it like being an author?\u201d \u201cHow come you\u2019re wearing your pajamas right now?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But my favorite question was asked by a little boy on Long Island.\u00a0\u00a0 He asked, \u201cHow many failures do you have?\u201d I had to ask him to repeat the question, because I was having a hard time processing what he was asking.\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0I joked it off at first \u2013 \u201cOh, well, my life has been nothing but an endless series of failures\u2026.\u201d\u00a0 But then, he had a real question and wanted a real answer. So he clarified. He wanted to know if I ever wrote anything that didn\u2019t get published. \u201cA failure.\u201d I let him know that, alas, I had quite a number of failures! And I reminded him of that most important of baseball statistics: Even the greatest batters in baseball history still strike out 2 out of 3 times. Baseball, in this sense, is mainly failure. (One of the many reasons I love it \u2013 I can really relate to that!) But on a serious level, I think it\u2019s important for children to know that even a \u201csuccessful\u201d person can have many \u201cfailures.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another favorite question came from a little girl at a school I visited outside of Pittsburgh. She didn\u2019t ask it publicly, like most kids do.\u00a0 She came up to me afterwards and asked in private as I was packing up my stuff.\u00a0 She said she noticed that I wrote a lot of books about \u201cthe underdog,\u201d and if I did that on purpose. I said that yes, it was on purpose \u2013 that because of my own experience, I sympathize and empathize with people who are bullied and discriminated against. She said she really appreciated this, because she knew how that felt herself. She was one of the only Black kids in this school. At that point, honestly, I didn\u2019t know what to say to her.\u00a0 I couldn\u2019t say \u201cI know how that feels.\u201d But I think maybe what was important is that she said something to me, that I heard her, and that she saw someone who looked like me writing the kind of books I write. It was a moment of connection that I treasure.<\/p>\n<p><em>Other memorable responses to your work?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>A few years ago, I was giving a lecture in Pittsburgh about my children\u2019s books \u2013 to an audience that included both children and adults. One of the memorable responses came from my dentist, of all people! Couldn\u2019t believe she came to this! But she was a huge fan of my RBG book and we are on the same political wavelength. She commented, after what I had thought was my fairly bleak analysis of where the children\u2019s book world stands right now and what my own role in it is devolving into, \u201cWhat I am struck by is your optimism. How are you able to be so optimistic?\u201d I actually started laughing, because I\u2019ve never been described as an optimist before! Usually just the opposite. But she was serious.\u00a0 And it made me stop and think, in front of the 100 or so people who were sitting there, about something I had never thought about before, never considered. Yes, I suppose I am an optimist. I believe there are battles worth fighting. And regardless of how under siege I am right now in my career, I don\u2019t give up.\u00a0 I believe children are worth fighting for, and that they need to know the truth \u2013 about a lot of things that many adults want to shield them from. I believe life is worth living.<\/p>\n<p>There was another response from a little boy that just blew my mind. I think he was about 10 years old, maybe younger, but very precocious. And his mind was blown by the fact so many librarians have stopped me (or tried to) from reading certain books to their students because they want to \u201cprotect\u201d the children. And he was amazed by all this nervousness in general about \u201cprotecting\u201d children from the truth. He thought it was ridiculous, and he couldn\u2019t believe I had to put up with this nonsense on a regular basis. I think I probably should have gotten this kid\u2019s contact info and had him accompany me on future school visits and in all meetings with editors!\u00a0\u00a0 He could have been my publicist! The kid was more naturally articulate than I am \u2013 and made my point better than I did.<\/p>\n<p>Another memorable response \u2013 in a letter from a 3<sup>rd<\/sup>-grade student in San Jose whose class was reading a bunch of my books, including my bio on Hilary Clinton:\u00a0 \u201cI can\u2019t wait to read about Hillary Clinton. I hope she will be our next president. I don\u2019t like Trump.\u00a0 He is rude and wants to send me back to Mexico.\u201d (Ugh.)\u00a0 (But on the other hand, this kid was writing this to me in his second language, English, and he was only 8 years old.\u00a0\u00a0 I was deeply moved \u2013 by his letter and all the letters I received from this class, all of them Mexican immigrants.)<\/p>\n<p>One more memorable response, and perhaps the most important of them all to me, this one in the form of an email I got through my website:\u00a0 \u201cI just finished reading one of your books, and realized I had read you before.\u00a0 I am black, and I thought when I read you that you also were black. What a pleasant surprise for me. I also am a writer(unpublished) and I am 77 yrs old. I realize now how God can use whomever He pleases to get the job done because these stories certainly need to be told.\u00a0 We are omitted from History books, and even when we contribute many times others get the credit. Thank you for the unbiased stories you tell which most blacks my age can identify with. I&#8217;m hopeful all children will read you and others, and learn the truth. And learn to respect all races as being human with hopes, joys, fears and intelligence.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>(I have a printed copy of this taped to the wall above my desk.)<\/p>\n<p><em>Talk about your most recent picture book, \u201cBanned Book\u201d.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Well, I had been trying to get this one published for a few years, and I think many publishers were scared off by either the subject matter or the unorthodox nature of the narrative approach (lots of redacted text \u2013 with footnote disclaimers from the censor).\u00a0 Thankfully, Creative Editions decided to publish it! They take chances with certain kinds of stories and subject matter that the larger New York publishers will not take.\u00a0 And I very much appreciate this \u2013 especially given the fact that I have experienced the sensation of having my voice silenced in the past few years.<\/p>\n<p>So, it\u2019s a book about a banned book\u2026 but is also a book which contains lots of redaction (blacked-out text) and commentary from censors as part of the narrative.\u00a0 I was very purposeful in not saying what the topic of the banned book in the story is \u2013 or on what the specific political agenda of the censors is.\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s not important what the specific agenda is, or what topic is being censored. The point is that some people think they have the right to ban books and silence authors or shut down even the very existence of a book. Silencing authors and denying a book\u2019s right to exist is by far the worst kind of censorship.\u00a0\u00a0 But I view all censorship as wrong. Leftwing, rightwing \u2013 to me, it makes no difference where the censor is coming from. It\u2019s wrong to be so arrogant as to believe you have the right to decide for another person what they\u2019re allowed to read \u2013 or what authors are allowed to get published, or what book has a right to exist. And children, being right in the center of the increasingly relevant banned book issue, need a book such as this to help them navigate through the murky, toxic waters of this evil.<\/p>\n<p><em>Your sense of fairness and justice is evident in the stories you choose to tell, talk about how your core values\u2014how you became you (or remained you). <\/em><\/p>\n<p>I honestly don\u2019t know. But I do know that I\u2019ve always had the personality that I still have. I\u2019m obsessed with what\u2019s fair and unfair.\u00a0 And I\u2019m obsessed with being honest \u2013 to a degree that has often made life difficult for me, in terms of my personal relationships.\u00a0 My goal as a person and a writer is always to reveal things, tell the truth, even when I know it will get me in trouble.\u00a0 I\u2019m not sure if this is an entirely moral impulse. Sometimes it just feels like a compulsion \u2013 or something that I find enormously exciting.<\/p>\n<p>The only way we\u2019re going to end the current censorship that has taken over the publishing world is by lots and lots of authors speaking out against it. But currently, there\u2019s a distinct lack of spine.\u00a0 Writing is not simply an intellectual endeavor \u2013 it\u2019s a moral one. Or should be.<\/p>\n<p><em>I know we love all that issues from our heart and mind\u2026 do you have a favorite book among your wonderful collection of works?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t know if I can single out just one. I\u2019m very proud of <strong><em>The Secret Project<\/em><\/strong> \u2013 and very proud of <strong><em>Banned Book<\/em><\/strong>. And <strong><em>The Sad Little Fact<\/em><\/strong>. But perhaps I\u2019m most proud of the first book I illustrated, <strong><em>Fair Ball: 14 Great Stars from Baseball\u2019s Negro Leagues<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 I was so passionate about that, and I spent so long researching it and painting the pictures \u2013 and painting those pictures was not something I was sure I could even do. But I\u2019m proud of those pictures, and proud of the book. I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever combined more sides of myself in a single book \u2013 or worked so hard on something.\u00a0 And that was a topic that hadn\u2019t been written about at all in picture book form \u2013 not at that point (1999).<\/p>\n<p>Thank you Jonah Winter for your time and your thoughtfulness. More Jonah Winter <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jonahwinter.com\/books.html\">here<\/a> and in <a href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/gallery\/\">ArtIsUnity Gallery<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"listing-item\"><a class=\"title\" href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/ryan-davis\/\">Ryan Davis<\/a><div class=\"content\"><div id=\"ttfmake-1624907549\" class=\"ttfmake-notice\" style=\"background-color: #eaecee; color: #000000; padding: 10px 20px; border: 2px solid #eeee22;\">\n<h4><em><strong>Art Is Unity Interviews Ryan Davis<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/em><\/h4>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1061\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1061\" style=\"width: 204px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1061\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/10.Shine-Your-Light-For-The-World-To-See-UMI-Say-70x70in-Oil-on-canvas-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"204\" height=\"204\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/10.Shine-Your-Light-For-The-World-To-See-UMI-Say-70x70in-Oil-on-canvas-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/10.Shine-Your-Light-For-The-World-To-See-UMI-Say-70x70in-Oil-on-canvas-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/10.Shine-Your-Light-For-The-World-To-See-UMI-Say-70x70in-Oil-on-canvas-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/10.Shine-Your-Light-For-The-World-To-See-UMI-Say-70x70in-Oil-on-canvas-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/10.Shine-Your-Light-For-The-World-To-See-UMI-Say-70x70in-Oil-on-canvas-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/10.Shine-Your-Light-For-The-World-To-See-UMI-Say-70x70in-Oil-on-canvas-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 204px) 100vw, 204px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1061\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Shine Your Light For The World To&#8230;(UMI Say)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Oil paint, paint is my first love. For the most part, other mediums I work with are a means to an end, whether to create art as an object, explore a theme or work through ideas quickly. With working with oil paint, my love of painting always comes first.<\/p>\n<p><em>I am very impressed by your portrait work.\u00a0 It is at once traditional and modern.\u00a0 Why were you drawn to portraiture?\u00a0 <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Portraiture had always seemed like the pinnacle of oil painting. Even before I started to practice painting, I was always drawing characters and building narratives around the character. I\u2019m drawn to all of the signifiers a portrait can convey in nuanced ways. I have to be considerate of so much from contemporary culture, to the historical practices of figure painting.<\/p>\n<p><em>Did you feel like it was a choice to make traditional portraiture or is that simply what you were naturally drawn to?\u00a0 In other words, are you intentionally carrying on a tradition?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a choice. Again portraiture I saw as the pinnacle of oil painting. Once upon a time, I was mindful of how portrait artists like Kehinde Wiley and Kerry James Marshall were referencing Western historical works of art. They are fracturing traditional narratives and building space for Black people to exist. With that being said, I\u2019ve divested from this manner of thinking. Now my approach is creating fictional spaces from traditions within non-Western or pre-colonized spiritual practices. My work now is a journey in unlearning my Western norms.<\/p>\n<p><em>Can you describe the people you choose.\u00a0 You paint primarily people of color.\u00a0 Are these people you know?\u00a0 How do you find your models?\u00a0 Is there any social or political intent?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The people I chose to paint I selected from a pool of people I had worked with as part of the larger project. Most of my portrait work was completed in Athens, Ohio as a graduate student, making it a lot easier to simply ask someone to participate. I would gather 3-4 people and conduct a group interview asking them questions that allowed them to reveal who they are. From that group I\u2019d select one or two people for a photoshoot to complete a painting.<\/p>\n<p><em>I remember once you were talking to me and telling me that you made some portraits of a very specific size on purpose?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I wanted my portraits and figure paintings to create shifting perspectives for the audience so I made them very large. I wondered what it would feel like if the figures in the painting were the viewers and the audience became the ones being looked at? I thought it might relinquish a desire to control a narrative and allow the paintings to operate on its own terms.<\/p>\n<p><em>There is a range of backgrounds in your work.\u00a0 Some are all black and some have painted backgrounds.\u00a0 Is there a reason for this?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The black backgrounds are a reference to Ad Reinhardt&#8217;s black paintings. I actually replicated his same methodology in how he creates the matte black texture with oil paint. I am using the language of his works and abstract expressionism and juxtaposing it with Black figures. I was using that void space to speak to the fact that there are no void spaces. But content is more when I was operating through a Western lens, which I\u2019m not concerned about anymore. In my recent collage work which is becoming my foundation or sketch, I\u2019m creating from within the space of non-colonized thinking.<\/p>\n<p><em>You are an oil painter, also a print maker, collage artist, muralist and more. I really like your mixed media collage work.\u00a0 In many ways it seems like a big departure from your portrait work.\u00a0 The colors and subject matter are very different along with the compositions.\u00a0 How do you choose your collage elements?\u00a0 Is there an underlying narrative?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1059 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-Return-to-Strawberry-Farms-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"203\" height=\"203\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-Return-to-Strawberry-Farms-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-Return-to-Strawberry-Farms-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-Return-to-Strawberry-Farms-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-Return-to-Strawberry-Farms-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-Return-to-Strawberry-Farms-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-Return-to-Strawberry-Farms.jpg 1596w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 203px) 100vw, 203px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>My collages have a loose narrative and are building towards creating a world unto itself. The general narrative is that the primary character has lived as the only surviving human in a post-apocalyptic world since they were a child. Nature has been at least partially in stone since the apocalypse and they must restore land without knowing what its natural state actually is. The narrative and world itself is a space for me to share my journey into learning about African and Indigenous agricultural practices. I choose my elements for my collages based on rules I\u2019ve created that will uphold the existence of this fictional world. I have them well sorted out to help me be efficient in creating collages.<\/p>\n<p><em>Can you talk about the titles in your work? <\/em><\/p>\n<p>The titles of my works tend to be either song references or long descriptions of the work. I\u2019m inspired heavily by music, specifically hip-hop. I\u2019m always looking for ways to tie in music. I use song lyrics and titles as a way to build a continuation of music. For the long descriptive titles, that is a bit of me being humorous with myself and trying to not overthink. I think there is a natural desire for artists to want to make titles that are deep and allegorical. Don\u2019t get me wrong, I wish for my work to have that resonance. But I think why titles from artworks in history are deep is that it has had decades and centuries to take on a multifaceted existence. So I just create long narratives to not be so serious and let time give it meaning beyond me.<\/p>\n<p><em>I didn\u2019t know you made music until recently.\u00a0 Can you explain the influence on music in your life and work as an artist.\u00a0 Can you talk about your music?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019d never call myself a musician but I do enjoy making and love researching hip-hop music. I\u2019ve made beats and written, recorded, and released projects. Some of it you can find if you dig around. I would tell you if I conveniently knew where it was. I sometimes make music or sounds that supplement my studio practice. For me, making music is playing around and I like keeping it that way. It\u2019s less of an informed practice and more just me retreating from the heavier thinking I\u2019m engaged with in my studio. I still spend a lot of time reading and learning about hip-hop in history. It helps identify threads between historically African practices and contemporary Black cultures in a multi-faceted way.<\/p>\n<p><em>How did you end up making murals?\u00a0 Do you feel like it is art or simply a job?\u00a0 Is it gratifying to make truly public art work?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I had made a few group murals through a few different programs as a youth and young adult. I didn\u2019t actually anticipate becoming a muralist, but I had gotten a job leading youth and young adults in making murals and have stuck with it since. From there I\u2019ve gotten commissions from people seeing me on the streets painting murals. The nice thing about that is I don\u2019t have to market myself much. Being on the streets painting, becomes the marketing. Just as well I realized, I may have an easier appeal getting organizations to commission me for a mural than selling more traditional sized painting. The goal when making a mural is to be of service to the community or client. I do enjoy when I know I\u2019ve met the desires of whomever I am making the mural for but that also means I treat it more like a job, than for my studio practice.<\/p>\n<p><em>Who are your artistic idols?\u00a0 What inspires you.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>As I grow older what inspires me and my creative practice is rediscovering historical narratives of my folks. I\u2019m inspired by Soul Fire Farm, Karen Washington, N.K. Jemisin, Octavia Butler, Talib Kweli or any artist, book, grassroots organization, musician who works to reconnect the threads from Black ancient histories to our present.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u00a0<\/em><em>I know you teach as well.\u00a0 Do you feel like teaching is part of your art practice?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>More so the other way around. I try to direct my teaching structures to what I know. By structure I mean how I teach the topic. I try to scaffold in ways that allow for exploration and discovery within the images, which is somewhat how I build my collages. Not every lesson is geared towards that mode of working, but that\u2019s when I\u2019m most engaged with teaching.<\/p>\n<p><em>Can you talk about your love of plants and how it relates to your artistic practice?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I worked in the arts education department at a botanical garden called Wave Hill for about 3 years. I learned a lot from my peers and really started to realize how much of what I know has such a Western world bias. The world is so old and so much of what we treat as new and sustainable in building a healthy world are old practices the ancestors discovered a long time ago. I found it beautiful to journey into that history and by extension my cultural history. That process is what has developed my work into what it is today.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is your long term vision for yourself.\u00a0 Last time I saw you, you were talking about buying land and decolonizing it.\u00a0 Can you explain what that means for you?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m still learning what that looks like for me.<\/p>\n<p><em>Many thanks to Ryan Davis for this interview; Ryan Davis\u2019s work can be viewed in the <a href=\"https:\/\/artisunity.net\/talkart\/gallery\/?preview_id=764&amp;preview_nonce=eeb5335f80&amp;preview=true\">ArtIsUnity Gallery<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/li><\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>ArtIsUnity Interviews: Yasmeen Abdallah I am an artist. But growing up, I didn\u2019t know any artists; I didn\u2019t think \u201cbeing an artist\u201d was even an actual occupation. I certainly didn\u2019t have any role models or guidance in that area. 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